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gryfndor_godess) wrote2012-02-08 12:43 pm
gryfndor_godess) wrote2012-02-08 12:43 pm
Flipping a Shit (Happily)
OH MY GOD. JUST READ THE COMIC AND AM HAPPILY FLIPPING A SHIT BECAUSE IT IS PERFECT AND BEAUTIFUL, AND THE LAST TWO PAGES, ALDKFJALKDJFLADJFLAJDFK.
Like, I don't even feel the need to fic this issue because the Spuffy (and the Buffy & Dawn, Buffy & Robin, Nikki & Crowley, Spike & Dowling, EVERYTHING ELSE) already makes me so happy! (Still writing my future!domestic-Spuffy!Andrew-baby-daddy!baby!fic, though- it's just not based around this issue.)
ETA: Although there's definitely a drabble or ficlet begging to be written with Buffy asking, "What did you need to tell me?"
Initial reactions, flailing, and word vomit below the cut:
-Did anyone else notice on the 11th page how upset she looks when she says "I guess it's obvious what I should do" and then how hopeful she looks when Robin says "I don't think it is"? SHE WANTS THE BABY.
-SPIKE AND DOWLING ARE SO GREAT TOGETHER! I WOULD TOTES BE OKAY IF BUFFY AND SPIKE HAD A THREESOME WITH HIM.
-BUFFY AND DAWN!!!
-Robin was really great! Even though I sympathize with him in S7, I don't really like him that much, but I really like him here, and I love that he recognizes how his mother and Buffy are different and would approach child-rearing differently.
-I really liked Nikki and Crowley's story!! I agree with Mari's Tumblr reaction, Crowley definitely loved her.
-Would Giles have reacted the same way as Crowley (only obviously out of parental love)? I think he would have.
-BUFFY WANTS SPIKE TO BE HER BABY!DADDY!! ASLDKFJALDFJLADKJFLAKDJFLAKDJFLADJF.
-My heart breaks for Buffy at the end, and I LOVE that she recognizes and admits that the reasons she's not ready to have a baby are because of her ordinary human circumstances- because it means someday down the line, if she felt more stable in her job, home, etc., she could have a baby regardless of the slaying. Obviously mileage varies in fan opinion of Buffy-as-mother, but personally I think she'd be really good at it, and I've never gotten the impression that Buffy would dislike having kids (worry about it because of slaying? Sure, definitely, but not want kids on principle? No; I don't see that at all), so the fact that this issue basically affirms the idea that Buffy is open to the idea of being a mother MAKES ME REALLY HAPPY.
-Also, the ending, SPUFFY!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH MY HEART ALFJALKFDJLKDJFLASJFLDKASJF.
-As for whether or not she'll actually go through with an abortion, I really want Buffy to have a baby (*with Spike as biological or nonbiological-baby-daddy, obvs*), but I'd also be really pleased with such a pro-choice plot, and honestly, I don't want Joss writing a baby plot. He doesn't deserve any trust in that regard after all the abominable pregnancy plots on AtS. The interviews I've read indicate that she will go through with an abortion, but I can't really see that happening when Joss could cause her equal or so much more pain by having her miscarry or have to give up the baby for adoption later in the season. :/
-Calling it now, it's a girl. Or not really calling it, I suppose, because I don't have proof to back it up, but if it's a boy I will be extremely put out because this is Buffy, feminist icon, and she should have a daughter. Also, imagine Spike being completely wrapped around another Summers woman's finger. HE WOULD SPOIL THAT BABY SO ROTTEN AND BE ADORABLY OVERPROTECTIVE AND CLICHED.
Like, I don't even feel the need to fic this issue because the Spuffy (and the Buffy & Dawn, Buffy & Robin, Nikki & Crowley, Spike & Dowling, EVERYTHING ELSE) already makes me so happy! (Still writing my future!domestic-Spuffy!Andrew-baby-daddy!baby!fic, though- it's just not based around this issue.)
ETA: Although there's definitely a drabble or ficlet begging to be written with Buffy asking, "What did you need to tell me?"
Initial reactions, flailing, and word vomit below the cut:
-Did anyone else notice on the 11th page how upset she looks when she says "I guess it's obvious what I should do" and then how hopeful she looks when Robin says "I don't think it is"? SHE WANTS THE BABY.
-SPIKE AND DOWLING ARE SO GREAT TOGETHER! I WOULD TOTES BE OKAY IF BUFFY AND SPIKE HAD A THREESOME WITH HIM.
-BUFFY AND DAWN!!!
-Robin was really great! Even though I sympathize with him in S7, I don't really like him that much, but I really like him here, and I love that he recognizes how his mother and Buffy are different and would approach child-rearing differently.
-I really liked Nikki and Crowley's story!! I agree with Mari's Tumblr reaction, Crowley definitely loved her.
-Would Giles have reacted the same way as Crowley (only obviously out of parental love)? I think he would have.
-BUFFY WANTS SPIKE TO BE HER BABY!DADDY!! ASLDKFJALDFJLADKJFLAKDJFLAKDJFLADJF.
-My heart breaks for Buffy at the end, and I LOVE that she recognizes and admits that the reasons she's not ready to have a baby are because of her ordinary human circumstances- because it means someday down the line, if she felt more stable in her job, home, etc., she could have a baby regardless of the slaying. Obviously mileage varies in fan opinion of Buffy-as-mother, but personally I think she'd be really good at it, and I've never gotten the impression that Buffy would dislike having kids (worry about it because of slaying? Sure, definitely, but not want kids on principle? No; I don't see that at all), so the fact that this issue basically affirms the idea that Buffy is open to the idea of being a mother MAKES ME REALLY HAPPY.
-Also, the ending, SPUFFY!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH MY HEART ALFJALKFDJLKDJFLASJFLDKASJF.
-As for whether or not she'll actually go through with an abortion, I really want Buffy to have a baby (*with Spike as biological or nonbiological-baby-daddy, obvs*), but I'd also be really pleased with such a pro-choice plot, and honestly, I don't want Joss writing a baby plot. He doesn't deserve any trust in that regard after all the abominable pregnancy plots on AtS. The interviews I've read indicate that she will go through with an abortion, but I can't really see that happening when Joss could cause her equal or so much more pain by having her miscarry or have to give up the baby for adoption later in the season. :/
-Calling it now, it's a girl. Or not really calling it, I suppose, because I don't have proof to back it up, but if it's a boy I will be extremely put out because this is Buffy, feminist icon, and she should have a daughter. Also, imagine Spike being completely wrapped around another Summers woman's finger. HE WOULD SPOIL THAT BABY SO ROTTEN AND BE ADORABLY OVERPROTECTIVE AND CLICHED.
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It is a theoretically pro-choice story even if Buffy keeps the baby (I say theoretically, b/c I still think Joss is going to pull something weird so that she *has* to keep it, in which case that's not pro-choice, that's, that's like what he did to Cordelia over and over, and it's gross; it's this quote from that interview: "The whole thing isn’t going to be, well, normal. There’s not going to be a lot of “normal” going on, but hopefully there’s a certain amount of “relatable"; WTF does he mean it's not going to be normal? Is he telling us outright the pregnancy is going to be mystical?), but I'm worried about how politics will screw everything up. If she gets rid of the baby, pro-lifers will be calling for Joss's head (which, let's face it, would probably be on their to-do list at some point anyway), and if she keeps the baby, even by choice, pro-choicers will call it a cop-out. No matter how it goes, I don't see how it won't be politicized and nitpicked by the mainstream media, and I DON'T want our beloved Buffy and S9 torn apart by people who have no connection to the character or story and just want to use it for their soapbox. :/
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And same worries about the politics of it- now that they've made this such a huge issue, they're going to have to do an incredible job to appease the pro-choice media now lauding Joss.
This gives me some hope, though: "And obviously there will be complications to the whole storyline that could only happen in the Buffyverse. But it’s not about what happens, it’s about that moment of decision, and just articulating what so many people are not saying, but so many are thinking."
I mean, I want Buffy to want this baby (though if she doesn't, I don't want her to have it regardless). I want the pregnancy plotline, I want a conveniently drawn baby who only gets in the way of the story when it's necessary, etc etc. And I'm kind of hopeful that the entire next issue is lengthy enough that they can address any about-face Buffy has sensitively. (And now I'm wondering if the zompire battle we know is coming is going to get in the way of her plans to abort, and if the loss of her hand might somehow tie into all this? It's possible, right?)
Either way, I think I'll be satisfied if it's done as well as this issue was.
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Yup, yup, yup. That's why I don't think Joss deserves the right to write a pregnancy story. He's been nothing but misogynistic concerning them in the past.
I mean, I want Buffy to want this baby (though if she doesn't, I don't want her to have it regardless). I want the pregnancy plotline, I want a conveniently drawn baby who only gets in the way of the story when it's necessary, etc etc.
SAME. :D
And I'm kind of hopeful that the entire next issue is lengthy enough that they can address any about-face Buffy has sensitively.
I'm crossing my fingers because this kind of situation needs to be handled carefully. I'm still getting used to the comics medium and how lamentably short it is. I'll never like it the way I like the TV format, but I think the pacing has been pretty good so far in S9; maybe a little rushed around the Severin parts, but certainly in #6 the the pacing was as good as anything else about it.
But it’s not about what happens, it’s about that moment of decision, and just articulating what so many people are not saying, but so many are thinking."
I like that, and I would be mostly satisfied with it as a pro-choice story if she changed her mind and decided to keep the baby (I say 'mostly,' b/c honestly, I'm not 100% okay with it if she was actually raped; in the real world, sure, that's a woman's prerogative to keep the baby in those circumstances and all the power to her, but given the rape culture we live in and all the current bills trying to outlaw abortion, I think it's really irresponsible to tell that kind of story; I know that's mixing politics/meta with storytelling, but it's a gut feeling I can't get rid of). However, I think that pro-choice message would be completely undermined if she tried to abort the baby and then couldn't because it were mystical. Joss would be like, "See, even though she can't carry through with it, she still made the choice! I get to be a pro-choice feminist and eat my cake, too!" And no, that's so wrong. And it could be made even worse if Buffy ended up being happy about having the baby after all; clearly I want her to be happy, and I don't think it would necessarily be OOC if she ended up being okay with it (although I would hope that she'd still be angry on principle about the bodily violation), but on a meta level, that would feed right into pro-lifer politics: "See how evil abortion is and misguided you were? You'll eventually be glad you were forced to keep the fetus!"
Ergh, see, the comics medium is bad for me, because my thoughts spiral in so many angsty directions, and it really doesn't help when Joss interviews, because I can't stand him. Silvering lining, at least the comics leave time to write fic. Can you imagine trying to squeeze stuff out in a week-long break between episodes? I wouldn't even feel the motivation because we'd get more canon so soon.