For the first question, I put "don't know" because I think it would depend tremendously on how long after NFA it was and what sort of relationship she and Giles had established by then. If he'd apologized profusely, and IF she had agreed not to send Angel any help with Fred/Illyria rather than having it withheld from her, then I suppose she could have forgiven him. If he refused to admit he was wrong about Spike, and if she found out that he had both refused Angel any assistance and not notified her of the request.... Yeah, I think she might not feel quite so much like including him in the major decisions in her life.
For the second one, I said next day. That way, you will have had time to read and evaluate other responses and can address those in your thoughts. Maybe you'll present arguments why you are right, or maybe someone will post something that makes you revise your initial opinion. :)
That's a good point about the Fred/Illyria business. I tend to forget about that when it comes to Giles simply because it's such a...strange plot point. The Fred stuff is regrettable (though honestly, I can't really hold against Giles any rude behavior he exhibits toward Angel after Jenny- i.e., his behavior isn't right or likable, but it's very understandable IMO), but I do think he would have admitted his misjudgment of Spike post-Chosen. At least, Giles of the earlier seasons would have, and his behavior in "Chosen" indicates to me that he was going to try to be more supportive of Buffy.
Thanks for the comment on the second question. My one concern about addressing responses the next day is that I wouldn't want to come across as ~judging other people's opinions, you know? My opinion isn't more correct than theirs.
Can't hold it against him that he didn't trust Angel, but if he didn't tell Buffy... There are just so many "what if"s there. That's why I couldn't have an opinion. It would depend so very much on what has happened since then and where they are with each other by the time she is ready to marry somebody.
I see that - I was thinking more in terms of perhaps changing an opinion slightly by someone else having pointed out something you hadn't thought about. That happens to me all the time. I form an opinion, based on what I think I know; and then I learn more and I have to revise my opinion to allow for the new information.
but if he didn't tell Buffy... There are just so many "what if"s there..
*nods* My answer (yes) mostly hinged on Buffy rather than on Giles' actions. She's so forgiving that I can see her (eventually) overlooking faults that get us fans up in arms.
I form an opinion, based on what I think I know; and then I learn more and I have to revise my opinion to allow for the new information.
Oh, goodness, yes, that has happened to me so many times since joining fandom! :)
My answer (yes) mostly hinged on Buffy rather than on Giles' actions. She's so forgiving that I can see her (eventually) overlooking faults that get us fans up in arms.
Agreed, although I picked "depends on the groom," since I can imagine that Angel especially, but probably also Spike, could be a touchy subject with Giles, and she might not ask him out of concern that he'd not want to? But if it were some other character (or a person we haven't met in canon), I think she would.
Yeah, Angel is the big if in my opinion (I like to think that Giles would be better about Spike after his sacrifice in "Chosen"). And honestly, I would totally understand if Giles refused to give her away to Angel.
I checked 'not sure,' but what I actually meant by that was 'yes, as long as the two of them had actually sat down at some point and talked out their relationship.' I think that she would certainly like for him to give her away, since he's seemingly the strongest father figure that she's had in her life. But their relationship was always more complicated than a straightforward father/daughter relationship, given that he was also her mentor, her teacher, and occasionally sort of her boss. Obviously as she grew up, things between them got strained in places, but she loved him just the same and he loved her. Because of extenuating circumstances, they didn't really have the chance to sit down and talk in later seasons, but I'd like to think that in a post-NFA world they would have that chance.
Polls are excellent! I'm not going to want to give them up after this trial ends, but I don't think getting a paid account before LJ finishes rolling out all their obnoxious changes would be wise.
I'd like to think that in a post-NFA world they would have that chance.
That's how I feel. "Chosen" indicated in a very slight way that Giles was trying to be more supportive of Buffy, so I think it's likely that they were able to reconcile. Buffy is also so forgiving that I think he would have to do something extremely vile to irreparably harm their relationship.
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Date: 2012-01-01 06:41 pm (UTC)For the second one, I said next day. That way, you will have had time to read and evaluate other responses and can address those in your thoughts. Maybe you'll present arguments why you are right, or maybe someone will post something that makes you revise your initial opinion. :)
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Date: 2012-01-01 07:39 pm (UTC)Thanks for the comment on the second question. My one concern about addressing responses the next day is that I wouldn't want to come across as ~judging other people's opinions, you know? My opinion isn't more correct than theirs.
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Date: 2012-01-01 08:06 pm (UTC)I see that - I was thinking more in terms of perhaps changing an opinion slightly by someone else having pointed out something you hadn't thought about. That happens to me all the time. I form an opinion, based on what I think I know; and then I learn more and I have to revise my opinion to allow for the new information.
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Date: 2012-01-01 08:13 pm (UTC)*nods* My answer (yes) mostly hinged on Buffy rather than on Giles' actions. She's so forgiving that I can see her (eventually) overlooking faults that get us fans up in arms.
Oh, goodness, yes, that has happened to me so many times since joining fandom! :)
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Date: 2012-01-03 04:42 am (UTC)Agreed, although I picked "depends on the groom," since I can imagine that Angel especially, but probably also Spike, could be a touchy subject with Giles, and she might not ask him out of concern that he'd not want to? But if it were some other character (or a person we haven't met in canon), I think she would.
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Date: 2012-01-03 04:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-02 12:43 am (UTC)I checked 'not sure,' but what I actually meant by that was 'yes, as long as the two of them had actually sat down at some point and talked out their relationship.' I think that she would certainly like for him to give her away, since he's seemingly the strongest father figure that she's had in her life. But their relationship was always more complicated than a straightforward father/daughter relationship, given that he was also her mentor, her teacher, and occasionally sort of her boss. Obviously as she grew up, things between them got strained in places, but she loved him just the same and he loved her. Because of extenuating circumstances, they didn't really have the chance to sit down and talk in later seasons, but I'd like to think that in a post-NFA world they would have that chance.
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Date: 2012-01-02 03:29 am (UTC)That's how I feel. "Chosen" indicated in a very slight way that Giles was trying to be more supportive of Buffy, so I think it's likely that they were able to reconcile. Buffy is also so forgiving that I think he would have to do something extremely vile to irreparably harm their relationship.
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Date: 2012-01-03 04:30 am (UTC)